Identity — either the obfuscation or celebration of it — seems to be a common thread that ties your work together, with people occupying the worlds you create either as silhouettes or with fully recognisable faces. What is it about depicting identity that you are drawn to?
For me, with everything that I do, I am gravitating towards imagery that generally gives a sense of my personal identity, but in an abstract way. Ideally, I want my figures to be silhouettes or obstructed in some way, because as a viewer you can project yourself onto that or remind you of people, rather than just shutting it down. It gives you the opportunity to intertwine your own story with the work. But that’s what’s interesting about humans, everyone comes with their own personal history, where you’ve landed is determined by everything you’ve experienced before, like films, dreams, desires, nightmares, everything. It sounds so broad but the aspects of all of those things trigger something that I want to make.
Why do you think collage particularly lends itself to a celebration of identity than other medium?
I don’t really think that to be honest — that’s just my medium. I wouldn’t say painters aren’t able to do that, maybe they can do it much better than I can. For me, it just makes sense, it’s an easy way for me to just pour loads of things and it to land in one image.
You recently worked on creating an enormous mural for Jay-Z’s ‘The Book of HOV’ exhibition at Brooklyn Public Library — how did that project come about? What inspired you about the specific imagery that you used to create the work?
So we got approached by General Idea for that. It was crazy when that came in, I couldn’t believe it — and I still can’t. At the same time, there was so much about it that made sense: the fact it was a mural and the question was bringing it to life in some way. I wouldn’t have been able to accept it so confidently if it wasn’t for my agent Roxy; at the time, they asked me if I was able to complete it to this scale, and Roxy was like “absolutely, don’t worry about it”.
In terms of putting it together, Roc Nation sent us thousands of photos of him, as well as explained to us in depth about what was important to him. I went on my own journey of research, I watched everything — all the documentaries, every music video. It was like a PhD of Jay-Z, I just tried to absorb all of it. I already had a lot of knowledge of him, but I had this new energy. I tried to respond organically to the images that I liked, so there were certain moments that needed to come in, but I wanted it to feel epic and celebratory, but also subtle, in the sense that they’re a moment for him and not forced. I used other imagery like foliage and visuals representing the passing of time, so sunset, daytime and night time, as he’s worked through so many eras and years, and all of them are so important to him — so this was all metaphorical, the atmosphere of it all. When it came to the images of him, I was responding to the images that I liked. There was one moment, a picture of him in a car in London when he was really young, and that photo is so iconic as at that time, loads of his friends either died or were sent to prison, so he speaks about that moment in time saving his life.
In the past few years, you have rapidly risen to prominence as a young artist — what are you looking forward to in the future?
What I’m really excited about is I’ve been building boards, so working out how to go from paper to mixed media and pasting things bigger. The next stage I want to go to is making things more physical, much bigger. I am really excited about the body of work I am approaching. I want to finish an animation which will be the longest one I’ve done so far. From that, I just love the idea of learning new things and bringing them into my work. I do short courses, too; I recently did one on painting and one on mixed media before that, as I didn’t study art, so I like collecting these bits of information. I know what I want to do for the next year or so and then after that see where else it can go. When I studied menswear, there was a day we did a collage course. Before then, I hadn’t ever really considered it, but because I did that it inspired where I am now. That’s why I’m such an advocate of short courses or being open to new things, as you don’t know what part of you it will trigger and take you on a journey you never expected.